e-mail Interview September 2005 with Vasumati.
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1.question
Hi Vasumati,
In the beginning of otocbreAnfang there is a workshop in the OSHO-Tabaan in Hamburg about boundaries in relationship. How does that fir to the co dep process? Last time you were in Hamburg, you said something like: „Love and healthy relationship – it's all about boundaries.“ could you please tell us more about it?
Boundaries are essentail to the co dep work. When people are co depeendant thay have no appropriate or functional bboundaries.
they learned not to have boundaries in the family where there was obviously enmeshment.
In this parents use children for their own needs and or children end up balancing the family system if one of the parents is emotionally dysfunctional.
either an alcoholic or in some ways depressed or angry.
this shames children and also shocks them . When tis happens we start to feel that we have no rights and no value and there fore lose the ability to be clear and confident about what we need and also where we can feel what we dont want.
As we enter the domain of adult relationships, we have to first feel safe in ourselves. As soon as we ask the other person to make us safe we enter into dependency. |
Our boundaries are a comfort zone, the make us safe. In our boundaires we give ourselves security and what we need. From there we can come out to meet others. A boundary is a place inside that is at the same time strong and vulnerable. |It comes from self love and dignity, and also makes the other person safe as they are then not responsible for making us feel safe. they are then free to look out for themselves.
Boundaries help us to merge and be an individual at the same time.
Boundaries are not walls or fences. They are permeable and flexible and respond to each situation in the moment in a fresh way , not coming from old defences and conditionings.
We all have protections and walls around our hearts where we have been hurt and betrayed, and so when it comes to letting those things go we feel that without our protections we will just disintegrate and become non functional.
With boundaries, we can protect ourselves while allowing for intimacy at the same time.
Walls protect us but dont allow for intimacy.
As two people feel deeply into themselves and know their needs and what they dont want it creates an intimacy with themselves. From there it moves to imtiamcy with others. |
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2.question
Does boundary work relate to issues to do with sex closeness and intimacy.
They have everything to do with that.
When we come close to someone esp sexually and start to open to very deep and exposed places inside us then it is very necessary to establish some kind of understandings and agreements and commitments.
Maybe for some people this is a desire to be sexually monogamous, for others it could involve multiple partners but the agreement is that these external connections don’t disturb the primary connection.
In order to feel safe there has to be some ground. Otherwise to open would be too frightening and even maybe even dangerous. |
Most of us have come to sexuality with a lot of unhealed shame and shock in our systems because of this have let people run over our boundaries or have run over our own boundaries. We have such a desire to be loved and cherished and desired that we will do any kind of compromise to have that happen. Even throwing our boundaries and self respect out of the window.
So to heal it is important to develop the sensitivity to our bodies and energy and sex to see what is really nourishing and intimate for us and to honour and respect that even if it means at times to say no to the person we love.
The problem with that is we cannot expect people to love us for saying no. This is one of the issues that comes with maturity to allow each of us the space to have our own boundaries even if it makes us have to feel our deprivation. |
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So it is a journey to maturity and respect. |
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3.question
When you work with people , how do you make them feel safe and what is special about you?
The first thing is that my great intention is to have people feel safe. For that there is no pressure and judgement and that people feel that they will be accepted to be themselves.
People are very sensitive so they can pick up the smallest judgement or pressure and that will make them close and contract.
So we present an atmosphere that is very loving and supportive and safe. Then we meditate and in meditation people find the greatest freedom to be themselves and to express themselves in their own way. |
What is special about me is that when I work it more that there is space for Osho to do the work. I learned very early to let the master do it.
So the less ego there is also the more people feel safe . That they wont be manipulated or controlled.
For anyone to trust it is never easy and therefore we have to be present, consistent and calm and spacious.
The co dep work brings in all these elements and also in a very respectful and slow way.
So no one is pushed back into their shame and shock.
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4.question
In Hamburg you once worked with a large group of very different people, some new and some with yoears of experiences with groups. You did not loose one of them. How did you manage to bring the whole group together?
How this happens is that what I teach in the work is universal and there is a truth that people can relate to at whatever level they come into the group. It is universal and collective that people desire to love and be loved to be intimate and to feel safe. |
Everyone understands this and so when it is resented to them they can all relate to it and it creates a feeling of oneness and universality. That in itself is intimacy. So it really doesn’t matter what your group experience is if your heart is open and you are searching for something. Whatever that is,
Maybe you are searching for love, or for clarity or for the answer to a conflict.
We make space for everyone to be included in their own level. |
Love
Vasu
Thank you so much Vasu
amano